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  JWs forced to accomidate Apostates at SF DC

  by ezekiel3 in

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  i just got word that protesters have been allowed on the "cow palace" convention center property (near san francisco) with a valid permit.

  see the link below for a the happy jw news release on this convention.

  http://www.sanmateocountytimes.com/stories/0,1413,87~11268~2309259,00.html

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  William Penwell

  Hey where is all them good dubs?
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  Do you believe in "same sex" marriage?

  by Carmel in

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  2. friends

  yesterday i tuned into espn sports radio and listened to a semi-political debate on several issues.

  when "same sex" marriage came up one of the talking heads refrained that "all marriages are same sex.

  " you get married and have the "same sex" over and over again!

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  My stand is that it is not my life style but what one does in the privacy of his or her own bedroom, is none of anyones business. For all those "good Christians" out there that are so quick to judge, I tell them not to judge and if there is a God to leave it in his/her hands.

  Will
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  Bethel Family Manual

  by Wild_Thing in

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  http://www.geocities.com/paulblizard/dwelling.html

  this link was posted by neon madman in another thread (http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/76073/1.ashx), but i think it is worthy of its own thread.

  i read part of the manual and it really made me laugh!

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  William Penwell

  I posted this to the above posting you spoke of but will attach what I wrote here;

  A quick read of the Bethel Manual is enough to make a person Under the heading "Visitors in the Home:

  VISITORS IN THE HOME

  Someone is appointed by the brother in charge to show visitors around the home. If you want to take someone through, you may get permission to do so; but if the one in charge believes it is best to have a regular guide take your party through, it is for him to decide. You cannot just take people around the premises of the Society anytime you want to. Please obtain permission each time. The overseer in charge is the one to decide what should be shown to visitors and he will arrange a regular route to follow during working hours. Before anyone can be invited for a meal or invited to stay overnight, permission must be obtained from the over- seer in charge. Arrangements should be made in advance. Please understand that if they are not, your request may not be granted. Visitors who are calling for just a short time will remain in the visiting room or lobby of the Bethel home until the one they are visiting is called and meets them there. Any person invited for dinner must be registered and he will be given a place to sit in the dining room with his friends in the Bethel family. Always keep in mind that we are limited in the number of guests we can have for meals because of space, cooking arrangements, pur chasing of food, etc. You should not invite visitors to meals on weekends when meals are served cafeteria style. There can be exceptions to this, but permission must be obtained, otherwise it may be necessary to limit your guest privileges for a period of time. After the meals or during the evening it will be permissible for members of the family who invite guests in to see them to take them to their rooms and to entertain them. All such guests must register "in" and "out" of the home, and at all times while in the home they should be accompanied by a member of the Bethel family. Of course, on such oc- casions nothing should occur in the rooms that would disturb other members of the family in the home. If any one is in a room alone with a member of the opposite sex who is not a close relative, they must leave the door wide open. Special arrangements can be made with the overseer in charge for you to have members of your own family who are Jehovah's witnesses stay overnight in the Bethel home.

  They talk to you like you were 6 years old. Do this, do that. Then the thing about leaving your door open if you have a member of the oposite sex in your room!!! What if your name was Leo Greenless and prefered young boys? Oh that would be OK as long as they were of the same sex. Or what if a person was into incest, still they are a close relative and according to the manual it would be OK to close the door.

  Will
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  Bethel Family "Manual"?

  by Valis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was on ebay the other day and i saw a bethel family manual.

  then i went back to look for it and it is gone.

  has anyone a copy of this or know where i could get my grubby paws on one?.

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  William Penwell

  A quick read of the Bethel Manual is enough to make a person Under the heading "Visitors in the Home:

  VISITORS IN THE HOME

  Someone is appointed by the brother in charge to show visitors around the home. If you want to take someone through, you may get permission to do so; but if the one in charge believes it is best to have a regular guide take your party through, it is for him to decide. You cannot just take people around the premises of the Society anytime you want to. Please obtain permission each time. The overseer in charge is the one to decide what should be shown to visitors and he will arrange a regular route to follow during working hours. Before anyone can be invited for a meal or invited to stay overnight, permission must be obtained from the over- seer in charge. Arrangements should be made in advance. Please understand that if they are not, your request may not be granted. Visitors who are calling for just a short time will remain in the visiting room or lobby of the Bethel home until the one they are visiting is called and meets them there. Any person invited for dinner must be registered and he will be given a place to sit in the dining room with his friends in the Bethel family. Always keep in mind that we are limited in the number of guests we can have for meals because of space, cooking arrangements, pur chasing of food, etc. You should not invite visitors to meals on weekends when meals are served cafeteria style. There can be exceptions to this, but permission must be obtained, otherwise it may be necessary to limit your guest privileges for a period of time. After the meals or during the evening it will be permissible for members of the family who invite guests in to see them to take them to their rooms and to entertain them. All such guests must register "in" and "out" of the home, and at all times while in the home they should be accompanied by a member of the Bethel family. Of course, on such oc- casions nothing should occur in the rooms that would disturb other members of the family in the home. If any one is in a room alone with a member of the opposite sex who is not a close relative, they must leave the door wide open. Special arrangements can be made with the overseer in charge for you to have members of your own family who are Jehovah's witnesses stay overnight in the Bethel home.

  They talk to you like you were 6 years old. Do this, do that. Then the thing about leaving your door open if you have a member of the oposite sex in your room!!! What if your name was Leo Greenless and prefered young boys? Oh that would be OK as long as they were of the same sex. Or what if a person was into incest, still they are a close relative and according to the manual it would be OK to close the door.

  Will
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  Bethel Family "Manual"?

  by Valis in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i was on ebay the other day and i saw a bethel family manual.

  then i went back to look for it and it is gone.

  has anyone a copy of this or know where i could get my grubby paws on one?.

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  William Penwell

  I found the following link to part 1 of "DWELLING TOGETHER IN UNITY"

  http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040321/SECRETBOOKS/9999266

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  Link to Zion's Watchtower and Studies in the Scriptures

  by William Penwell in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  in case this has not already being posted, i just found this interesting link to zion's watchtowers and studies in the scriptures if anyone is interested.

  http://www.harvesttruth.com/palm/

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  William Penwell

  In case this has not already being posted, I just found this interesting link to Zion's Watchtowers and Studies in the Scriptures if anyone is interested.

  http://www.harvesttruth.com/palm/

  Will
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  Did You Stay as a Witness Because You Needed a Social Life & "Friends"?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  recently onacruse made a comment regarding why many jws remain jws.

  a lot of people look at religion as a way to get together and be social with one another.

  let's face it, people need "friends".

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  I may have stayed in longer than I should have due to my family. As far as friends were concerned I didn't have a lot of Jdub friends. I learned long time ago that I could do with less of their "conditional love", although over the years I have meet some genuine good people in the borg. I have said it before that the majority of people that stay in any religion do so for the socializing aspects. I think a lot don't even believe half the crap they are told.

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  New US Iraqi stooge another Saddam???

  by William Penwell in

  1. social
  2. current

  interesting article in the sydney morning herald (australia)about the new us appointed iraqi leader.

  if this alligations are true, seems like the us has put into power another saddam hussiem.

  the artcle says: .

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  William Penwell

  Interesting article in the Sydney Morning Herald (Australia)about the new US appointed Iraqi leader. If this alligations are true, seems like the US has put into power another Saddam Hussiem. The artcle says:

  Allawi shot prisoners in cold blood: witnesses

  By Paul McGeough in Baghdad

  July 17, 2004

  Iyad Allawi, the new Prime Minister of Iraq, pulled a pistol and executed as many as six suspected insurgents at a Baghdad police station, just days before Washington handed control of the country to his interim government, according to two people who allege they witnessed the killings.

  They say the prisoners - handcuffed and blindfolded - were lined up against a wall in a courtyard adjacent to the maximum-security cell block in which they were held at the Al-Amariyah security centre, in the city's south-western suburbs.

  They say Dr Allawi told onlookers the victims had each killed as many as 50 Iraqis and they "deserved worse than death".

  The Prime Minister's office has denied the entirety of the witness accounts in a written statement to the Herald, saying Dr Allawi had never visited the centre and he did not carry a gun.

  But the informants told the Herald that Dr Allawi shot each young man in the head as about a dozen Iraqi policemen and four Americans from the Prime Minister's personal security team watched in stunned silence......

  US officials in Iraq have not made an outright denial of the allegations. An emailed response to questions from the Herald to the US ambassador, John Negroponte, said: "If we attempted to refute each [rumour], we would have no time for other business. As far as this embassy's press office is concerned, this case is closed."

  For the full article: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/07/16/1089694568757.html?oneclick=true
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  Hello, I'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses and I'm here to convert you....

  by undercover in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the thread about the 6 million bible studies reminded me of some things that always bothered me about going door to door.

  1. as mentioned in the other thread, there were times that cos and elders would tell us to not identify ourlselves as jws.

  tell them we are "students of the bible" or "concerned neighbors", etc.

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  William Penwell

  The bottom line is that the JW are there to sell their religion. Anything else they say is a lie. I recall one time my mom ask me if I wanted to go out with them and bang on doors. I said "sorry, I am not a good salesman." She didn't like that response but had nothing to say as I think she knew I was right.

  Will
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  Michael Moore--Bill O'Reilly finally, on Foxnews tonight

  by sf in

  1. social
  2. current

  tonight 8 pm / 1 am et

  challenge accepted michael moore finally enters the no spin zone!

  tune in for the fireworks.. .

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  Question, I am not a Christian and one reason why I am not is because of people saying how wonderful George Bush is because he is such a "good Christian".... How can anyone that lies and murders innocent people claim they are a Christian? That is not the teaching of Jesus that I have read. Until anyone can answer and justify that question, I will never follow any ideology that teaches such hatred for their fellow humans..

  Will